Are these Isuzu MUX 20" rims OK for outback travelling?

Submitted: Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 18:02
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I have ordered a brand new ISuzu MUX LST 4x4, arriving some unknown time in the future.
It comes equipped with 20" x7.5" alloy rims and 265/59 R20 highway rubber.

My current outback vehicle is a turboed Toyota 2002 1Hz (393000 km) running very well, with a TVan, used mainly for trips, often of the extended variety. This combo has been all over Oz in the last 15 years or so. But the k's are getting up and the manual transmission is constant work in hilly country, so I figured I would treat myself to some luxury. Hence the MUX, which seems to tick most boxes.

So I guess my questions are: Is it reasonable to put All Terrains on the 20" rims? Or is it better to get some 17" rims for example? And do different rim sizes affect the actual wheel diameter and change the gearing?

I also have a manual 2010 Subaru Outback for ordinary travel (200,000km). So not sure whether the Isuzu will replace the Subaru or the Tojo or both! Anyway I'm happy to listen to those of you who know about these things.

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Reply By: Rob A1 (SA) - Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 19:13

Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 19:13
One of our friends with a MUX tows an AOR Quantum Plus and they have taken it to most of the really interesting spots on the maps without issue. But they run sensible 17" rims as well. But there's plenty of utes and other 4WD travelling outback roads on 18" rims as well. Reason is those size tyres are common place these days. 20" rims aren't. Simply ask your supplying dealer this question they should be able to access the appropriate expertise via the Dealership support network. I think you will find there's a few other rim sizes in the Isuzu range that are interchangeable to give you tyres more readily available in out of the way places

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Follow Up By: T&G Carswell - Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 19:56

Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 19:56
Thanks Rob... my feel is that 17" and 18" offer more scope for tyre deflation than 20", but all I know about is my Landcruisers 16" and before that 15" on an 80 series
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 07:20

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 07:20
Hi Rob,

The 200 Series Landcruisers have 17” & 18” rims, either alloy or steel depending on the model. Not sure about the 300 Series.

My choice would be 17” or 18”. More flexibility with tyre selection, particularly if going off road of even on gravel roads.

As far as overall wheel & tyre size goes, you will probably be able to get a 17” wheel and tyre combination that has the same overall diameter as the 20” wheel and tyre combination.

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Follow Up By: Rob A1 (SA) - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 10:34

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 10:34
Macca whilst it's correct that the 200 series model family has rim and tyre sizes from 17-18 inch they are NOT interchangeable on some models without modification to key safety items such as brake calibers.

There's heaps of information on the LCOOL 200 site around this and has been since LC200 was introduced.

For example the VX range moved from 17 to 18 at a point I can't establish but, at that point and due to the increased brake system size that model and Sahara are not backward compatible to 17" without modification. I would question any need to move from 18 back to 17 based on using the 18 rims on our D4 and now 200 towing and travelling around our outback for the last 10 years with those setups. There is no problem with finding an 18" rim even Over the Range on the GRR stocks a few. The homily in that statement is my view that there is no such thing as a puncture proof tyre. Unless you are driving a piece of agricultural or defence equipment. As a personal example, this year we had our first puncture since around 2008. We had just turned off the PDR on Cape Yorke after travelling from the NT via the Savannah Way and Gulf Country. So about 9000km of bitumen. Fully loaded and towing 2600kg. The TPMS picked up a drop in pressure and sure enough when we could safely pull over I found a large bolt/pin in the LHR of the 200. As they say merde happens>

As usual, tyre pressure in relation to speed and load against track conditions remains a key to tyre survival and my go to tool in managing that is a decent tyre pressure monitoring system and knowing how to use it properly

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We run a 2020 VX with matching 18" rims on the AOR Matrix. That way with a second spare on the roof of the 200 I can share across both vehicles.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 12:52

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 12:52
Hi Rob,

I don’t think I suggested that you could interchange different size rims across the Landcruiser range, just that they come with two different size wheels, depending on the model. I am fully aware of this discussion on Lcool.

As far as Isuzu is concerned, I know some people have swapped between wheel sizes. Of course it all comes down to the size of the brake discs & calliper, and the clearance under the guards.

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Reply By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 19:21

Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 19:21
Hi Tom

You will be very happy with your new MUX but personally would not be happy out bush with 20” Rims and the standard tyres.

Without knowing the tyre specifications, I would say they would most likely be low profile highway tyres.

We are picking up our new X Terrain on Monday and will be getting LT AT tyres fitted the moment we leave the dealer.

All the best and you will get lots of recommendations.
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Follow Up By: T&G Carswell - Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 19:57

Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 19:57
So you have 20" rims with those tyres?
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 20:06

Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 20:06
No thank goodness, they are 18”, going the standard size 265/60R18 in LT construction, with the new Toyo Open Country AT 3
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 21:36

Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 21:36
Got any prices for that tyre yet Stephen?
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 22:36

Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 22:36
Like all things, they have gone up and $290 per tyre
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 22:41

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Thanks Stephen. That's VERY cheap for an 18" AT LT
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 22:46

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Was that the exchange price?
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 13:45

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 13:45
No, the price of the new tyres, as they said they do not trade in even new tyres.
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Follow Up By: Member - Warren H - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 14:05

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 14:05
A number of people running Pajeros with 18" rims have gone to a slightly higher profile of 265/65R18 to give a bit more sidewall for more confidence when deflating to pressures <18psi. On the Pajero front end this maintains clearance and the tyre still fits the carrier.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 16:56

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 16:56
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Stephen, what's this about an "new X Terrain"? Will that take you where the Prado went?
If you wanted a really competent 4WD you should have done as I and bought a Mercedes 4WD Sprinter. See action pic below....
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 17:13

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 17:13
Wow that’s very impressive Allan, was that on your last trip.

It was a very sad day when we parted company with the Prado, and up until now was the best car we have ever owned, it just went everywhere in comfort.

The main thing we will miss is the standard 180 litre fuel tank. We hopefully will be picking up the D Max on Monday, so we only hope it’s as good as the Prado.


Warren, we are keeping the new X Terrain stock standard and wanted the security of LT tyres for our outback trips.

We have been running Toyo tyres for some time now, they performed faultlessly and was a little concerned that the Toyo Open Country AT 2 was not LT construction.

We could not believe that Topo have just released the new AT 3 in my stock standard size of 265/60R18 with LT construction.

So Monday when we get the new car, straight to the tyre dealer for the new tyre so they should be great. Was told the new ones have a stronger sidewall and are quieter on the bitumen and best of all still quality tyres still made in Japan.
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Follow Up By: Member - Warren H - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 18:44

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 18:44
Stephen in 2018 when I purchased the Pajero and ditched the HT tyres there was a very limited choice in true LT 18" tyres. I ended up going with BFG KO2s, earlier this year I was gratified to find that Toyo had expanded it range. BFG KO2s are now in excess of of $400 so it will be interesting to see what the Toyos go for. I will probably go with a 65 profile when it is time to reshoe the vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 21:07

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No, not mine Stephen. It was a video from the Sprinter forum.
That vehicle, although a 4WD model, was running in 2WD with a rear diff lock.
Pretty capable eh?
I wouldn't try it. I mean, I don't have a diff lock, do I?
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2022 at 14:51

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One of the important jobs of a vehicle suspension is to keep the wheels on the ground. If a wheel is off the ground, It is not supporting any weight and can not provide traction.
When I see a wheel off the ground, I interpret it as " suspension failure".
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Reply By: Member - nickb boab - Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 20:19

Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 20:19
Tom . These new 4wd wagons are a sweet ride , we have new everest 2L bi tubo 10 speed fitted with 20 ' wheel& tyres that we traded our 100 series LC but i can't seeing it doing any out back travelling for many years , will keep.the ranger for that but like others i would not be travelling outback on a variety of Road conditions on 20" low profile tyres .
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Follow Up By: T&G Carswell - Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 20:49

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Yeah Nick, I am with you on that I think
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Reply By: T&G Carswell - Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 20:56

Friday, Nov 18, 2022 at 20:56
I meant 265/50 not 265/59. Typo
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Reply By: GarryR - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 07:08

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 07:08
My son in law has a 200 series Landcruiser that has 18" rims. the same model also comes out with 17' rims. On asking the question of going back to 17", he was told that would contravine his insurance policy, as the placard on the door states 18" wheel and tyres. He was then told he can go up 2 sizes eg 20" but not go backwards.
It might be an advantage to contact your insurer and speak to them about going back on placarded size, and if they okay it, get that in writing before you go down that road. My son in law just bit the bullet and stayed with the 18" hoping he could get spares at the time when going inland.
Insurers look for any excuse to null and void a claim, especially from design data specified.
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Follow Up By: Kenell - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 07:56

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There is much misinformation about insurance and modifications. An insurer can only avoid a claim if the vehicle's unroadworthiness contributed to the loss. It is very rarely used contrary to popular opinion.

In the case in point it would be a disclosure issue when taking out the insurance or advising the insurer of a change of vehicle under an existing policy. They will ask if the car has been modified in any way. When you tell them that the wheel/tyre size has been changed I think their interest would be limited to the roadworthiness ie things such as is the tyre size appropriate to the rim size, is the vehicle braking affected and what is the impact on the speedometer/odometer.

In a nutshell if the car's roadworthiness isn't affected by the variation your insurer is unlikely to turn their nose up.

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Follow Up By: T&G Carswell - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 09:44

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That is something that I would never of thought of myself. Thank you GarryR
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Follow Up By: Member - nickb boab - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 16:16

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 16:16
Tom I don't know about the Isuzu but the Ford Everest rim size varies across some of the different models from 16 to 20"
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Sunday, Nov 20, 2022 at 07:46

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Gary the rule says that you can only have tyre sizes stated on the tyre placard or in the manual. I have a 200 that came with 18's and fitted 17's. It's there in the manual. But your point about insurance is worth considering.






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Follow Up By: GarryR - Sunday, Nov 20, 2022 at 08:41

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Thanks for that Boobook. I was only stating the conversation I had with my son in law. As you have staed that the manual comes out with both sizes, it is what is stamped on the placard that counts. If the placard states 18" then you cannot go back but, if the placard is stamped 17", then you can go up by 2 sizes but not back. eg 16" This is what my son in law has stated to me, so please don't shoot the messenger. I have had many a discussion with him over various changes that I personally have done, but he is a stickler for the rules. Thanks for your input.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Sunday, Nov 20, 2022 at 11:12

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There may be more specific references around but this seems as good a summary as you'll get. It still doesn't guarantee anything wrt insurance OR warranty but it would seem to be a good starting point if issues arise.

Can I fit bigger wheels and tyres to my car?
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Sunday, Nov 20, 2022 at 11:22

Sunday, Nov 20, 2022 at 11:22
Can't vouch for the accuracy or currency of this (it's dated 2015) but it mentions placard specs AND says that you can go 1" max under placard wheel sizes to fit bigger tyres without certification.

VSB 14 Tyre & Suspension - Modifications acceptable without certification

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Reply By: qldcamper - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 08:13

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 08:13
Will smaller rims clear the brake callipers?
I know on my SR5 fitted with 17 inch std, the std 16s from the SR would not clear.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 09:01

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 09:01
They will if there was no alteration to calipers etc from the base model up to the top of the line model.
I don’t believe the MUX has any differences in driveline at all between models ! Not the 4x4 models anyway !
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Follow Up By: T&G Carswell - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 09:46

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Something to check, certainly, thanks QldCamper
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Reply By: Bazooka - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 16:07

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 16:07
Tom, wrt gearing, fuel consumption, etc:

Vehicle EMSs are supposedly factory "tuned" to the vehicle spec, presumably giving an optimal compromise between performance and fuel consumption. Changing tyre/wheel sizes can and will affect that "sweet spot", usually negatively (as will the weight of the tyre itself to some extent).

According to this TYRE SIZE CALCULATOR a 265/50R20 is almost identical in diameter, circumference and revs to a 265/60R18. The latter has a 26mm bigger sidewall - a HUGE advantage for off road use.

Assuming the 18" rims fit that would give you plenty of options - although not so many in LT spec.

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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 17:00

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I have been previously been running the LT Toto AT 2 in 17” but with the new D Max and the 18” standard rims the AT 2 does not have LT construction and was luck to see the new AT 3 has my standard size of 265/60R18 in LT construction, so there was no question as what I am fitting.

The new AT 3 has a different tread pattern and when I asked what the different was, was told by the tyre dealer the new AT 3 have a stronger sidewall and are supposed to be quieter on the blacktop, what was never an issue with my old AT 2.

And even better, they are still made in Japan.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 18:24

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 18:24
This might interest you Stephen.TIRERACK RATINGS

Click on the Toyo AT III and you will find a teview against the Falken and another tyre I cant recall.
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Follow Up By: T&G Carswell - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 18:51

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 18:51
Good tyre utility that one, Bazooka. The 265/50 R20 does 663 revs per mile, while the 265/60 R18 does 601 revs per mile, so fractionally higher geared. Essentially identical sizing overall, and if tyre pressures were being dropped, the effective diameter would drop slightly as well anyway.

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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 21:15

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661 and 663 is what I saw Tom. Virtually a cigarette paper's difference.
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Follow Up By: T&G Carswell - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 21:34

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Sorry Bazooka, was a typo on my part!
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Monday, Nov 21, 2022 at 12:10

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Just for information.

Was quoted $435!! for the 265/60R18 Toyo OPAT3 LT by Tyrepower. Despite Stephen's excellent deal I wasn't shocked because it appears there aren't many around atm. I took Darryl Kerrigan's advice and am still looking. Plenty of tread left on the original Prado Dunlops, so no hurry.
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Follow Up By: Member - Warren H - Monday, Nov 21, 2022 at 16:26

Monday, Nov 21, 2022 at 16:26
That price is in the same ballpark as BFG KO2s. There's still more variety in 17" where you can get some LTs for a little less.
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Monday, Nov 21, 2022 at 22:41

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Wow that’s ridiculous Bazooka, can not understand why so dear.

Are there any other stores near you, or are they all working together?

From the same store I also got 3 new AT 3 for my camper, but we’re slightly dearer at $320 per tyre. One thing the dealer did say way he tipped they will be going up in price, by how much he did not say.
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Follow Up By: Member - Warren H - Monday, Nov 21, 2022 at 22:56

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It's worth a trip to Clare then to get tyres! Toyo OC AT3s and BFG KO2s are $435 here in Canberra as well
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Reply By: T&G Carswell - Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 18:59

Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 at 18:59
Having read all those responses, my inclination is that the 265/60 R18 is the ideal replacement for 265/50 R20. I'll need to check :

* whether replacment rims actually fit around the brake calipers etc (which I think they would because other models of the MUX use 17" and 18" rims without any differences in brake specs)
* check out the insurance issues if any
* check with Isuzu service people whether there are any angine management issues
* and I suppose ensure new rims have the same offset

I think that covers the topic pretty well and thanks to all those people who contributed to my question.
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Reply By: Member - Darwin Dave - Sunday, Nov 20, 2022 at 08:48

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Tom you may regret getting rid of the old Toyota. Just spend a few dollars on it you will have less drama.

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Follow Up By: T&G Carswell - Sunday, Nov 20, 2022 at 11:14

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Thanks Dave.... My thoughts on that are to keep the Toyota for the extended inland trips where I carry camp oven, camp fire stuff, solar panel, and other extras.

But for tripping in civilised and busier areas, eg Gippsland, Eastern NSW and QLD, Adelaide hills, I would not need lots of that stuff, but would really appreciate the auto and extra grunt of the Isuzu.

So that means hanging on to Tojo and letting go Subaru!
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Reply By: Life Member - Duncan W (WA) - Sunday, Nov 20, 2022 at 18:22

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G'day T & G I have the 2019 (2020 delivery) LST MUX with the OE Bridgstone Dueller 255/60 R18 which BTW are $550 to replace. If you are looking at decreasing the rim size you will more than likely only be able to drop by 1 size due to the brake discs. I inquired and 17" was the best I could do. Rim selection for the MUX is also limited for whatever reason. I was at Tyre Power when I got the new tyre and made my inquiry.

I should have changed my rims and tyres pre pick up as I've now got a 2" suspension lift so bigger profile tyres on the 18" rims will make me over-height. New 17" and tyres will be a better option but obviously more expensive.

Also do not get the Isuzu front bar as you cannot fit recovery points to them. I discovered that with my previous MUX. I have the TJM front bar on my new MUX and it's colour coded to match and it comes with recovery points fitted as standard.

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Follow Up By: T&G Carswell - Sunday, Nov 20, 2022 at 18:53

Sunday, Nov 20, 2022 at 18:53
Good stuff there Dunc, and interesting on the bull bar. I was going to get the steel Isuzu bull bar. 60 something kg, compared with 75kg for the ARB one. The ARB one has the winch capability which Isuzu does not offer, but I have never had electric winch so that bit did not bother me. But recovery points are a bit more fundamental.

I am concious of weight these days, but I am a bit leery of alloy, although it comes in around 40kg. The car will not arrive for nearly a year (!) so I have time to mull over these things. But recovery points are fairly fundamental I reckon, even for pulling someone else out.
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Reply By: Gbc.. - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2022 at 14:00

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Being a Ute based vehicle you have the option of looking on marketplace for any of the dmax/bt50 base model 17” mags and tyres. The young blokes can’t turf them quick enough for some aftermarket black ones. 265/60/17 is the standard size and will match the diameter well, or go to 265/70’s for an outback worthy size on your car. Keep the flash 20’s for around town.
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Follow Up By: T&G Carswell - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2022 at 15:33

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2022 at 15:33
Thanks Gbc... I could check with the insurance company what is ok with them as regards changing wheel size.
I'm thinking at the moment 265/60 R18 LT. They have same rolling circumference as the 265/50 R20 so they are fine. Do those Dmaxes have 18" rims getting turfed out like you mentioned above I wonder?
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2022 at 15:53

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Yes, 17/18/19 are all standard sizes on the utes. Check your door placard. You can get another placard from Isuzu for the relevant size you want assuming it is on other models (cheaper mux will have smaller rims). There is zero mechanical difference between models so there is no legal implication.
I have replacarded cars before for similar reasons and had to check the legal ramifications.
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