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Submitted: Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 16:07
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Gazz's thread reminded me of a trip I did 50 years back, during which we had several of the above series.

We camped at a spot shown as "Blackstone Mining Camp (abandoned)" at a junction, on the north side of the Warburton-Blackstone-?Mulga Park road. Unfortunately the modern incarnations of those sheets showing the section of road - being SG5206 Scott and SG5210 Cooper - no longer have that rerefence.

Does anyone happen to have those oldies in their archives showing that location?
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Reply By: equinox - Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 16:40

Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 16:40
Hi Zippo,

I have looked at 3 editions of Natmap from first to last and middle. Can't find it. There is a Blackstone Mining Centre on the 3 editions I looked at, 8 or 9 kms east of Blackstone.

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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 17:31

Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 17:31
Could be at the northern most of the two intersections below, but no specific mention. Could be at either of the other two intersections outside the circle as well??

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Follow Up By: equinox - Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 17:38

Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 17:38
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 17:40

Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 17:40
Do you have the next chart north, Equinox?
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Follow Up By: equinox - Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 17:49

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Follow Up By: equinox - Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 18:00

Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 18:00
Do you have a nautical background Frank? :-)


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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 19:09

Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 19:09
You've lost me there mate LOL.

But no, not nautical. Aviation.
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Follow Up By: equinox - Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 19:17

Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 19:17
OK, that makes sense too.
It was the "chart" reference.


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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 19:31

Friday, Jul 29, 2022 at 19:31
Ah, yes, that crossed my mind, but crossing is all it did. It didn't stop, LOL.

A cartographer might have said " sheet" but I'm not one of those.

I was hoping the Mulga Park road might have been on the Scott sheet/chart. Maybe it wasn't there when the sheet was compiled?

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Follow Up By: Zippo - Saturday, Jul 30, 2022 at 19:29

Saturday, Jul 30, 2022 at 19:29
Frank, the northern of the two junctions you circled is on the road that didn't exist back then (according to the map segments Alan posted). The most likely candidate for our southerly approach would be the track just west of the 66 grid on Scott, which meets the E-W road on Cooper but with odd geometry cf the two you circled. The (abandoned) camp site didn't align with anything visible in the way of mining activity - it was just another spot in the middle of nowhere which we picked because it was cleared ground.

Both the two junctions you circled fit my recollection of the road geometry better than the old Cooper junction adjacent the mining centre.
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Reply By: Member BarryG - Saturday, Jul 30, 2022 at 12:37

Saturday, Jul 30, 2022 at 12:37
Hi Zippo,

You may have this already but I just found it via Google.
It gives pretty exact directions to the Camp.
Trek notes

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Follow Up By: gke - Saturday, Jul 30, 2022 at 12:55

Saturday, Jul 30, 2022 at 12:55
Love the term sumpbashers.
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Follow Up By: Zippo - Saturday, Jul 30, 2022 at 19:29

Saturday, Jul 30, 2022 at 19:29
Barry, that 133.9 is obviously the one. Fascinated about the source of that info, and the year their trip was undertaken. It's also going to cause me to ask myself whether we saw that reference on the area 1,000,000 map.

The "trick" now of course is to relate that to the mapped junctions in the sheets we are looking at.
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Follow Up By: Member BarryG - Saturday, Jul 30, 2022 at 19:53

Saturday, Jul 30, 2022 at 19:53
Zippo,

With a bit more digging, I have the page that links to the one I posted. It appears that the trek notes relate to travel undertaken in the 1970s. NatMap says not to rely on these notes as the tracks have changed. The link is "MG2". Australia changed to kilometres in 1974, so these notes must pre-date that.
70s Trek Notes
This page comes from this one here Diverse map notes

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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Monday, Aug 01, 2022 at 11:51

Monday, Aug 01, 2022 at 11:51
Depends on the area but often geological maps will have better/more up-to-date topo info on them , esp where mining-related activities or mineral-prospective areas are concerned. Something to consider if you're looking for another source. Don't expect topo features like road names to be prominent though.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Friday, Aug 05, 2022 at 22:24

Friday, Aug 05, 2022 at 22:24
I like the "all two wheel drive" note! Nowadays, nearly any unsealed surface that is only occasionally graded, is clearly marked, "4WD ONLY!" LOL

That was obviously the days when a bog-standard Holden ute was regarded as being good enough for bush roads and tracks.

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Zippo - Saturday, Aug 06, 2022 at 09:05

Saturday, Aug 06, 2022 at 09:05
Ron, my vehicle back in '72 out there was definitely 2WD. Don't have a pic to hand (as I'm on the road atm) but it was a Fiat 125 sedan, replete with four spare wheels, second fuel tank AND an Engel MRFT514 which I have with us today.

4WD ONLY? Phooey!
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