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Submitted: Saturday, Nov 30, 2019 at 21:51
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Can anyone put a year model on my FJ45
Engine number F 108370
Frame number FJ45-20082

Thanks for any help.
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Reply By: Mikee5 - Sunday, Dec 01, 2019 at 07:29

Sunday, Dec 01, 2019 at 07:29
Need photos. Various changes can narrow it down. Small or big eye springs. Quarter windows or full glass. Round or squared headlight surround. Padded or steel dash. Floating or fixed rear axle. Fuel tank inside or underneath.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Sunday, Dec 01, 2019 at 09:38

Sunday, Dec 01, 2019 at 09:38
August, 1964.

You got any photos?

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Reply By: Zippo - Sunday, Dec 01, 2019 at 11:49

Sunday, Dec 01, 2019 at 11:49
At risk of stating the obvious, I would expect either the rego papers (if you have them) or TMCA would get you rather close.
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Reply By: Member - Vince M (NSW) - Sunday, Dec 01, 2019 at 13:32

Sunday, Dec 01, 2019 at 13:32
(1964 to 1968) is it a FJ45 station wagon corrugated side version or a LWB Ute or SWB & the motor is a jap copy of the chev 6 cylinder with the old 3 speed box
Does it have the split bonnet( is joined but made from 2 sheets of steel
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Reply By: Ron N - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 02:49

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 02:49
The FJ45 started being sold in rural QLD in late April 1962. With your chassis S/No of 20082, I'd have to say it's a very early unit, and I'd hazard a guess at late '62 or '63 year of build.

The first FJ40's sent to the U.S. started with S/No FJ40-22692 in Jan 1964.

I've never seen anyone produce a verifiable chassis number/build date record for the early Landcruisers in Australia.

Here's the very earliest ad I can find.

Toyota FJ45 advert - April 1962

Cheers, Ron.

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Follow Up By: Luke B12 - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 06:46

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 06:46
Thanks for the info.

I know it would be difficult to value it without seeing the vehicle but do you have a rough idea of value. The vehicle has a little bit of rust but other than that it is in good condition.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:19

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:19
Luke, it's difficult to place a value on a vehicle without a full inspection and assessment of overall condition and the amount of work/dollars required to bring it back to top-class, "show" condition.

But the early 3 speed FJ's are becoming quite rare now, and they definitely hold a level of "collector" vehicle status.
Maybe not quite so much as a classic sedan of the '50's or '60's, but they're slowly increasing in value.

I'd have to opine, as a restorer and collector myself, and as a buyer and seller of equipment and vehicles over some 50 years, including extensive auction buying, that an early FJ45 in reasonably good working condition, and road-registered, has to be worth around $6,000 to $8,000 today.

If the vehicle is not registered, it will affect the sale value, as that places a degree of uncertainty on how much work/money is required to make it roadworthy, and get it registered.

The early FJ40's, and to a lesser extent, the FJ45's, are huge collector items in the U.S. today.
The Americans love them for their simplicity and ruggedness, and restoration of these vehicles is currently, big business in the U.S.

Restored 1973 FJ45 3-speed for sale in Dallas, TX.

Jalopnik - Why everyone wants an early FJ40.

The site linked to below, gives very comprehensive technical and historical information on Landcruisers - but it is a little short on information on the very early FJ series.

It's written by a Canadian bloke, mostly for American and Canadian Landcruiser owners, but he does cover Australian and Canadian models, as well as other countries variants.

Rusty Brain - 'Cruisers - FAQ's

Note that he's "in the dark" as regards the commencement date of Australian sales of the first FJ models.

I was originally under the impression that Theiss were responsible for introducing Toyotas to Australia in the late 1950's - but I find that there are news articles as early as 1956, for the Toyota Landcruiser - which was reportedly available for sale at that time, in Victoria.

Interestingly, this 1956 SWB Landcruiser tested, had a 4 speed, non-synchro gearbox, and no transfer case. The article says it's an "advance" vehicle, essentially a prototype. The production models to come were to have synchro gearboxes.

The Victorian agent for the Landcruiser was B&D Motors P/L - and another article I find from March 1958, says the Baker body-building company in Geelong was "building" 12 bodies a week for the Landcruiser by that time.

I assume that "building" refers to assembly of Landcruisers that were being imported as CKD kits.
Or perhaps the writer was referring to trays being built for cab-chassis models.
I would have expected some assembly work was being done, as the Landcruiser cabins were simply bolted together, and it would have saved a great deal on shipping costs for Toyota to have crated CKD kits.

There were still high tariffs on imported vehicles back then, and an insistence on high levels of local content, by the Govt.

The article says the first Landcruiser body was delivered to B&D Motors on February 26, 1958.

I can remember seeing new Toyota Tiaras locally (W.A.) in 1962 and 1963, when I was at high school - the Toyota cars sold better than the Landcruiser initially, and it was a couple more years before I saw a Landcruiser locally.

One has to remember there was still a lot of strong anti-Japanese feeling in the late 1950's and early 1960's - the memories of WW2 were still very raw, and the Japanese still had a reputation for producing "junk" products, due to their previously-poor steel quality.

Landcruiser test drive - 1956

Baker Motor Company constructing 12 new bodies a week for Landcruisers - 1958

Early NSW ad for new Landcruiser - Oct 1959

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Luke B12 - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:49

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:49
That’s great info. Thanks for your help
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Follow Up By: Luke B12 - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 13:28

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 13:28
Hi Ron

Just one more thing I was wondering about the tray of the Ute and side rails are all made from timber and the structural support for the tray that mounts to the chassis is also made from timber is this a factory tray or something someone has added on to the Ute?

Thanks.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 15:55

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 15:55
Luke, it was still common for body builders to manufacture ute and truck trays from timber in the early 1960's, although steel trays were starting to take over.

Steel was still quite costly in the early 1960's, timber was cheap, and blokes with carpentry skills abounded.

The typical timber tray of the 1950's and early 1960's comprised a certain amount of steel, mostly flat bar and angle iron steel, in the headboard supports, the hinge brackets for the tray sides, and steel supports for the tray edges and corners.

But around 95% of the tray was timber, including the longitudinal bearers and the cross-supports, as well as the floor and sides.

It is possible an early Landcruiser owner built his own wooden tray, but it would have been relatively rare for it to happen.

Here's a photo of a 1958 FJ25 traytop, with a typical "commercially-built" timber tray of the era.



You will also get a goldmine of information from the very long thread on IH8Mud, link below.

Don't believe too much of the story that Sir Leslie Thiess was virtually solely responsible for bringing the Landcruiser to Australia.

Sir Les was enthusiastic about the Landcruiser, and organised to acquire the QLD dealership for them, and promoted the 'Cruiser widely - but he wasn't solely responsible for bringing the Landcruiser here, others such as B&D were promoting the Landcruiser a couple of years before Sir Les "got the Landcruiser bug".

The discussion on IH8Mud also includes a story from a bloke who worked on assembling the first Landcruisers at Bakers - and he states exactly what I thought was the case - the early Landcruisers arrived in CKD crates, and were assembled at Bakers.

IH8Mud discussion - early Australian Landcruisers

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Luke B12 - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 16:02

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 16:02
Thanks again mate
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 16:09

Thursday, Dec 05, 2019 at 16:09
Actually, I think I've made an error with the above traytop caption . I copied the "FJ25" caption from the original photo - but I think the traytop is more likely to be an FJ28, not an FJ25.

The difference is, the FJ25 had a 89.9" wheelbase (2295mm), but the FJ28 had the longer 96" wheelbase (2440mm).

Cheers, Ron.
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