Good advert for Mitsubishi and Apollo.....NOT

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Reply By: Kazza055 - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 15:15

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 15:15
Ah, they have a fleet of them, wonder if they got any discount?
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Follow Up By: Idler Chris - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 15:25

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 15:25
They got what they paid for "s*it."
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Follow Up By: Kazza055 - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 16:00

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 16:00
Yup, shoulda brought a D Max ;=))
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 16:15

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 16:15
Quote "Yup, shoulda brought a D Max"

It would not matter which twin cab (with the exception of a Troopy) that you purchased, there is so much weight in the back of those campers that they would all end up the same.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 16:32

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 16:32
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Oh yes it would. Just a simple glance at the Mitsubishi will reveal the back of cabin is 200mm further rearward than a Dmax or Bt 50. ie. the positioning of the load is 200mm at least LESS favourable than a Dmax. Have a look fot yourself. Absolute ignorant madness to buy those especially for that use. Unsuitable for it.
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Follow Up By: Idler Chris - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 16:33

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 16:33
The strength of the chassis on utes vary. If you search U Tube for broken chassis you find some vehicles with many examples, but you also find makes that have no examples. You find lots of Triton's and few if any D-Max's. Look at their chassis, there is a big difference.
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Follow Up By: OutBack Wanderers - Friday, Apr 20, 2018 at 21:06

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Honey, did you attached the tie-down hooks?

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Reply By: CSeaJay - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 16:24

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 16:24
There are individuals who are vocal and in denial about dual cabs and bent chassis.
Although many have seen it first hand the "in denial" brigade remain in denial.
This may help a bit
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 16:59

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 16:59
You have to load them properly, they require four layers (courses) of house bricks in the section that extends over the cab. LOL.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 17:08

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 17:08
Hi Tony

You have it all wrong......they are the disabled camper version for easy access to the back dood without having any steps.........lol

Good photo, where did you snap that image.



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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 20:13

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 20:13
Yeah, tippers like that electric Smokey Dawson chair for old people.....not that there are any on here. :-)
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Follow Up By: RMD - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 20:26

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 20:26
They certainly look disabled.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony H (touring oz) - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 22:43

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 22:43
Hi Stephen,
A friend sent it to me.....not sure of his source
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Follow Up By: Member - nick b boab - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 06:16

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 06:16
Free camping
Stephen link is from a Facebook page in the story it states that not all the vehicles are Mitsubishi and in a comment it has a picture of a twin cab LandCruiser as well .
As we all know too well too much weight hanging over behind rear wheels regardless of vehicle make.
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Follow Up By: Member - nick b boab - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 06:25

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Free Choice camping
This link maybe better ....
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Follow Up By: RMD - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 17:21

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 17:21
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Not sure what the article had but those shown in pic above are certainly ALL Mitsubishi Tritons. Triton mythical strong. Not anymore.
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Follow Up By: Member - nick b boab - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 21:08

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 21:08
RMD re triton wouldn't know myself but that's what the FB article said .
plus there was a picture in the comment with LC twin cab bent the same .....
I think we have all seen picture of this type .

Triton change some time ago to the 2mm chassis maybe 06 ~ 07 when they went the smaller motor ....
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Reply By: Jackolux - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 20:11

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 20:11
Those Apollo Mits have been bending like that for years , I saw 2 in Broome probably 5 or more years ago , can't understand why Apollo would still be using them .
I wonder if they try and blame the Hirer of the vehicle .
A good mate of mine bent his Triton in the Simpson, he was able to fix it ok .
But all dual cabs will bend the Dmax is no stronger than any other and I own one but mine is a extra cab , I can at least get a bit of weight further forward of the rear axle , I bought the extra cab with that in mind but load it wrong and hit the right hole / bump , I'm sure it would bend just like all the others .
Ppl go on about the Dmax having a truck engine, I have even see it said they have a truck chassis that's BS , the Isuzu's have plenty of issues just like all the rest .
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 20:15

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 20:15
Popcorn locked and loaded....bring it on. :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 07:23

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 07:23
I read where the dmax chassis is from 4.8mm steel whereas 3.2 mm is the commonly used thickness in other dual cabs. Also the load area is more centrally located over the rear axle..
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Follow Up By: Idler Chris - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:27

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:27
Thats very interesting Bigfish. I brought a D-Max because by visual inspection it seemed to me that the Isuzu chassis was thicker. None of the dealers of all makes I asked seemed to know. I would like to know where you read that a D-Max chassis is 4.8mm steel, can you remember?
I have a reasonably heavy camper on my D-Max and the places I have taken it would suggest it is very strong.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:46

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:46
"The Hilux has a chassis of folded 9/64th (3.6mm) steel plate, whilst the DMax chassis is 3/16th (4.8mm) steel plate. So the DMax steel plate used to make the chassis is 25% thicker than a Hilux, and the DMax chassis cross section also give the Isuzu's chassis a 1/2" further advantage. There are also more cross members on my DMax than the Hilux, with each cross member substantially larger than the Hilux to boot."
http://www.ozisuzu.com.au/index.php/topic,2139.0.html


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Follow Up By: Idler Chris - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:49

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:49
Thanks Bigfish. If the Hilux is 3.6mm and the D-Max 4.8mm that is a 33.3% increase in my book, not 25%. That is substantial.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Apr 29, 2018 at 09:28

Sunday, Apr 29, 2018 at 09:28
Depth of the section is probably more significant than thickness and tube is vastly stronger than C channel.

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Reply By: Paul E6 - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 21:29

Tuesday, Apr 17, 2018 at 21:29
That is the coolest photo I've seen in a long time
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Reply By: braggy - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 06:15

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 06:15
If you try hard enough they will all do it.


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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 07:48

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 07:48
That poor thing has a towbar extension similar to the BT50 which bent on Fraser. Leverage and balance haha.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:10

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:10
This photo must have been photoshopped.
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Follow Up By: braggy - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:30

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:30
Maybe not David M

"https://www.4x4australia.com.au/reviews/1504/bent-utes
Apr 7, 2015 - Bent chassis. We were standing out the front of the Birdsville Roadhouse talking to Peter Barnes, the long-time proprietor of the service and repair centre that most Simpson ... Dave at Mt Dare and Barnesy agreed that they had seen all makes and models break, including the new Land Cruiser dual cab."
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:33

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:33
"That poor thing has a towbar extension similar to the BT50 which bent on Fraser. Leverage and balance haha."

Not just the towbar at work. There would have to be 70 to 80 kilos of spare wheels hanging off the back, plus, if I am not mistaken, a wheel carrier which is not a lightweight item.

Who knows what's in the canopy and what he was towing, but if you think about an average caravan or a camper with a long drawbar like a loaded Kimberley Kamper, the towball downforce could be up to 300kg.

I tend to believe it's real, not photoshopped, but anything's possible on line I suppose.
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Follow Up By: Greg J1 - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 19:19

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 19:19
Hi braggy. Is that even in Australia. That looks like some sort of wagon cut into a dual cab. Certainly doesn't look like the dual cab cruiser we had.

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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 19:28

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 19:28
The sticker says ‘Tanzania dash’. I’m guessing we are looking at a support vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Apr 19, 2018 at 00:35

Thursday, Apr 19, 2018 at 00:35
Interesting custom modification - looks like the chassis was extended.
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Thursday, Apr 19, 2018 at 13:11

Thursday, Apr 19, 2018 at 13:11
It looks to have been built by 'meano conversions'
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Thursday, Apr 19, 2018 at 13:51

Thursday, Apr 19, 2018 at 13:51
From the same facebook page here is a 79 dual cab cruiser ute that has had it's bum kicked.

Humans can't help themselves
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Reply By: bigden - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 07:53

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 07:53
On another post somewhere it was stated that the Isuzu's don't break, so I set out to find one online.
Now I found just about every make and model ,cruisers and patrols as well but I never did find an Isuzu.
I had a hilux that cracked thru one chassis rail
Not sure if that means anything, maybe there is not as many or not used in a way that might break a chassis but I would like someone to post a pic of a broken isuzu
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Follow Up By: Idler Chris - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:51

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:51
So would I.
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Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:35

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:35
I reckon the major issue with any of the utes is the way people treat them. LCs, Tritons Hilux, you name it, we've all seen examples of sheer stupidity in the way people treat them and load them. My friend had Bushtracker Caravan LC 75 Series single cab and he broke his chassis. I towed a somewhat lighter (280kg ball weight) Off Road Van with my Triton Dual cab for 7 years and never had an issue with anything including the chassis.

It appears that some people get parochial about "Brands" and take any opportunity to point out how superior there's is!
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Reply By: 9900Eagle - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:36

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:36
When humans are involved just be afraid very afraid.

Owners nightmare
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Follow Up By: bigden - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 14:56

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 14:56
I like it.
But it's not a broken isuzu ute
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 15:42

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 15:42
Wasn't meant to be and it just happened to be an Isuzu, it is only to show what humans are capable of. On thing the truck is the truck had good hydraulics.
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Reply By: Mudripper - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:48

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:48
At last, slide-off campers!
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Reply By: rocco2010 - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 16:54

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 16:54
Where utes (and other 4WDs for that matter) are concerned it seems some old advice I once got about the speed limit could apply.
Maximum weight means maxmium, it doesn't mean all the time.
Just as a sensible driver would adjust his speed to the conditions regardless of the maximum allowed, owners need to adjust the weights they carry according to the conditions.
It still surprises me that even after all the publicity this issue gets it is common to see cases where you suspect the owner is pushing the limits.
On my Simpson crossing a few years ago we were only an hour or so out Birdsville when we were passed by a ute from the garage.
A little while later we came across the people he been called to help. An extra cab ute with camper canopy and a damaged chassis.
Sadly for the couple and their companions an adventure was over basically before it started.
Is someone to blame? Should manufacturers do more to highlight the load limits when driving off bitumen? Do accessory sellers have a duty of care? How can you stop an enthusiastic owner with a big budget loading up?
Hopefully threads like these prove helpful and maybe save an owner or three.
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Follow Up By: Idler Chris - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 17:36

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 17:36
Of course they have a duty of care but with an ACCC as weak as p..s it is little wonder they do not bother. Most claim their 2 and a bit tonne ute will tow a 3.5 tonne trailer - what utter rubbish. You load any twin cab ute to its GVM and the bump stop travel will be between 0 and 15mm - an accident waiting to happen. As I said the ACCC are a joke.
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Reply By: RMD - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 17:27

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 17:27
Tritons have REALLY BAD shock absorbers fitted from new and I often see relatively new ones bouncing their bums up and down because the shocks don't work.
IF that camper weight is fitted and the suspension bottoms on almost any bump it will surely break the chassis because there is NO movement or shock absorbing ability there to absorb the movement of the mass involved.
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Reply By: splits - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 22:00

Wednesday, Apr 18, 2018 at 22:00
Are you sure those things are not disguised secret military rocket launchers?
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Reply By: Ron N - Thursday, Apr 19, 2018 at 00:16

Thursday, Apr 19, 2018 at 00:16
I really don't understand why ute-type campers aren't banned from being fitted to dual-cab utes.

It's not rocket science to figure out the simple physics involved in mounting a huge camper on a dual cab ute, with the additional height, and weight towards the rear, is going to be highly detrimental to the chassis.

I must admit, I've seen a few bent ute chassis', but I've yet to see an Isuzu ute chassis bent.

Cheers, Ron.

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Reply By: Candace S. - Sunday, Apr 29, 2018 at 04:23

Sunday, Apr 29, 2018 at 04:23
"So how was your Outback trip?" LOL

Another good reason to be glad I'm hiring a 4WD Mercedes Sprinter from Britz, perhaps?

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