Potential rust bombs for sale

Submitted: Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 07:39
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I have been watching videos from 'I got bogged at Inskip Point' facebook page. Dozens of vehicles are shown driving through waist deep sea water at a 'sink hole' near Double Island Point. Many have lost their front number plate, ripped off by water pressure, one shot shows several laid out on the sand. If/when these vehicles come onto the second hand market they will have multiple potential problems - electrical, bearings, brakes and of course rust.
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Reply By: rumpig - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 09:53

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 09:53
Hardly a new thing the behaviour of many 4wd owners up there, never ceases to amaze me the amount of salt water people drive through at Double Island Point and it's something they've been doing for years (i saw similar there 2 years ago for instance, even though there was heaps of beach to drive on instead...been happening long before then though). It's not just there, head to Mudlo Rocks closer to Rainbow or go to Fraser and sit at Yidney Rocks as the tide comes in....you'll be amazed what people drive through even though a bypass track that takes a few minutes to drive through is right there. Mudlo is different in that Freshwater Track is further away and takes longer to drive, but the alternative is still there for those that want to avoid the saltwater.
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Reply By: Member Kerry W (WA) - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 10:29

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 10:29
It seems fewer people these days understand machinery and maybe its the throwaway mentality but once it was just a given to avoid salt water at all costs.

As a general observation - lots of the fine details of offroading nouse/etiquette/manners have NOT been passed on to a whole host of new 4WDrivers.

People who have had no experience on the land, family history of outback driving, or practical driving mentors can now go out buy a capable 4WD and take it into the rough.

We now see the results.....
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Follow Up By: RMD - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 13:10

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 13:10
Besides the no knowledge or care about mechanicals or knowledge of the wise way to do things, most of these duds (notice the "e" is removed from dudes) booze heavily, take drugs and also become walking murals with tattooos too.
With little care or personal pride and attitudes like those mentioned here, you can hardly expect them to think of others, care for a vehicle or the environment, when they are the centre of the suns rotation. You have to revolve around them because they were not bred to ever recognize you.

Many of them are probably dead before the vehicle they stuff up actually rusts away or the enviroment they damage looks like being regenerated.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue M - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 18:29

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 18:29
Nothing wrong with Tattoos.
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Follow Up By: noggins - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 19:35

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 19:35
Nothing wrong with tattoos
When they're put on when the skin is young and still has shape some can look good, unfortunately some will never look good either with or without a tatt, and some will totally loose it when the skin can no longer hold it's shape (LOL ).

As my old man said to me once, ( regarding tatts ) "A pretty picture on a pig is just a picture on a pig , it's still a pig"

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Follow Up By: Paul E6 - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 23:24

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 23:24
Most of them aren't prize pigs either-especially the femme kind.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 00:09

Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 00:09
I have never had anybody able to explain why they got a tattoo or why they wanted to do it to themselves. Parents happy they were born without birthmarks and then they do that to themselves. What mindset makes that happen?

The worst is on beautiful young girls who deface themselves and then think it is cool or attractive. Yuk!
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:19

Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:19
Hey RMD, have you ever thought those young girls are cool and attractive to the young boys who like tattoos? I don't think they are doing it to be attractive to old farts, lol.
I am personally not a fan of the Tatts myself either but each to their own.. I think there will be a thriving industry developing of tattoo removal soon.
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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 09:00

Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 09:00
There are many cultures in this world were tattoos are a status symbol.

But then, we can be a fickle bunch. You could meet someone, like them, and not even know they had a tattoo or tattoos, and yet many people change their opinion of the person once they become aware of it.

Odd, isn't it?

I say, accept people for who and what they are, they've no need to explain anything to you, just take them at face value...after all, everyone most likely has something about them that someone isn't going to like.

My Saturday morning rant, good luck out there,

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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 09:28

Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 09:28
Was on Fraser a couple of weeks ago and noticed some of the drivers blasting through the water were Grey Nomads with faded Tats. :)
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Follow Up By: Member - silkwood - Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 19:20

Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 19:20
What the hell is with all the tattoo comments? Sounds just like "all those long haired guys" type of comments from the sixties. In other words- old gits whinging about things they didn't do when they were that age.

I used to run a rock climbing gym. One of the climbers asked me for a job. He had tattoos galore, piercings everywhere (including where I asked him not to bother showing me!) and ritual scarification marks. The gym owner was adamant I not give him a job (said it would look bad for the business). I told him I was managing and would give the guy a chance.

He turned out to be one of the best employees I ever had (even told me when he would be not available for a few days, he and his mates were getting high for a celebration). We ran school climbing activities and he became a fast favourite of the private school kids and teachers. Great guy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue M - Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 20:08

Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 20:08
Baz, It is funny you said that we can be a fickle bunch.
I was at a family get together down at a beach one Xmas, and was talking to this elderly Lady for quite some time.
We had a good chat about everything that could be talked about between a young fella and an elderly woman, without becoming awkward.
Towards the end of the day it came up about Tattoos and she said straight out she could not be bothered talking to anyone that was silly enough to get a Tattoo. I tried to explain to her that just because some one has one does not make them bad person.
Then she got a bit uppty about them, so I pulled off my shirt and showed her that I had a couple.
She turned away and walked away and has never spoken to me again.

I got my first one 45 years ago and is just starting to fade now.
I had an ear ring in for nearly 30 years, been an alcoholic at an early age, but sober for the past 36 years, smoked recreational drugs from time to time, smoked cigarettes since I was 15, and still managed to keep the same job from 1974 to 2014.

Doing any of these things does not make everyone a complete moron, just some, and in my opinion only, they have the makings of being one long before they did any of the above.

I have no secrets, don't really care what people think, live life the way that suits me, smile a lot when others put those thoughts into words and tell me how I could have done it better.

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Follow Up By: Baz - The Landy - Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 08:35

Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 08:35
"I have no secrets, don't really care what people think, live life the way that suits me, smile a lot when others put those thoughts into words and tell me how I could have done it better..."

I'll second that Blue, life is way too short to go around worrying about what other people think or do...

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 09:23

Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 09:23
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My wife Roz is an audiologist and had her own practice. One day a 30's something wearing a blue singlet and covered in tats came in for a hearing test. He had been hit on the head with a baseball bat or lump of timber and was suffering hearing loss. Another patient, an elderly lady sat next to him and remarked.... "I've never seen anyone who looked like that". The blue singlet replied..... "No sh!t". (I held my breath)
"I'm 92 years old she said"....... "No sh!t" from the blue singlet. They went on to have a pleasant conversation for the next five minutes until on departure there was a "Goodbye young man" and a "Seeya later luv".

Not moralising, just recounting an overheard conversation.

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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 17:55

Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 17:55
Tattoos are like Babies. You see other peoples and they're cool, but yours is never as good & you can't get rid of it.
Dave. :)
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Reply By: Iza B - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 10:41

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 10:41
Many of those seen in the salt water will tell you they have spent millions on those electric rust repellers and don't need to worry about corrosion. Not smart, either way.

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Reply By: Malcom M - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 13:12

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 13:12
It doesn't help that the manufacturers show their vehicles doing just this as a sales feature.
Toyota is good at that.
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Reply By: pmacks - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 13:19

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 13:19
It's there car, they can do what ever the hell they want to with it, and if you choose to buy it with out giving it a thorough check over then more fool you
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Follow Up By: RMD - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 15:11

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 15:11
"their" car or "there car.
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Follow Up By: Member - silkwood - Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 19:24

Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 19:24
Difficult being a spelling nazi when your own punctuation lets you down!
:-).
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 11:57

Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 11:57
That's true pmacks. *Provided* they also declare what they have been doing to the vehicle to a buyer.

I had a 4wd that had been underwater ( by me). It was a touring vehicle and it developed a very intermittent electrical fault that stopped it working for days on end,. then magically it would be fine for months. Years of trips to the dealer and electrical specialist recommended by Mitsubishi, and it could not be fixed..I simply could not rely on it. They could never figure out of it was a loom or an ECU or something unrelated. They suspected that a connector pin somewhere hard to get to had corroded and gone intermittent.

When I sold it, I didn't want to pass that problem to a buyer, especially as it was on the surface a remote touring set up. I fully declared the problem to every buyer, and none took the car. Eventually I sold it to a guy who wanted to rebuild it.

I got about $20,000 less ( half) than I would have done if i kept mum. But that $20,000 paid for peace of mind that I was not going to be responsible for a family stuck in the desert with 4wd that won't start.

I sincerely think very few people would declare something like that. It's just me.

That's why I would never buy a vehicle was a high risk of having spent a lot of time in salt water. I can say from experience that some problems don't show up for a looooong time and they can be impossible to fix.
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER - Monday, Jan 08, 2018 at 11:24

Monday, Jan 08, 2018 at 11:24
entitled to do whateva they like hey, easier for dad to buy them a 4b than deal with there attitude at hoem.
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Reply By: The Bantam - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 16:43

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 16:43
Back in the 70's, 80's and even in the 90's .... 4wds where expensive, not particularly comfortable and only a dedicated few had them.

AND most of those expected to keep them for 10 or 20 years

these days there are all sorts of people with no, experience or background, plenty of money to buy the 4wds that are everywhere, don't expect to own them very long and simply don't give a toss.

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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 17:16

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 17:16
It is a different type of buyer today as well
Like you said in the 70's etc you bought a 4WD deliberately for the type of vehicle it was
Nowadays the SUV is the most popular vehicle in the market so you have most buyers that are largely uneducated about their purchase and how to treat it respectfully. A few big dollar repair bills soon teaches them though
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 18:32

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 18:32
Leasing is relatively new, too. Most leased vehicles are turned over at 3 years (if they haven't already been upside down LOL) so you don't have to look after yours, do you? Just hand it back to the finance company and get a new one.
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Follow Up By: mike39 - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 19:00

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 19:00
Looking at some of those video clips gives me cause to shake my head.
Most have a "language" caution but forget to include the fact we are mostly watching idiots senselessly destroying vehicles.
The intelligent driver gene pool is rapidly draining and seems worse the closer to salt water they get.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 22:51

Friday, Jan 05, 2018 at 22:51
To be fair, if people want to damage and mistreat their own vehicle it's up to them, a good reason not to buy used unless you know the vehicle or you have had it checked out thoroughly. Michael
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 10:55

Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 10:55
LOL Mikee,

Golden rule - Never buy a 2nd hand 4wd that has ever been registered in Queensland.
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Follow Up By: William P - Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 12:01

Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 12:01
I had a 4wd that was registered in NSW that go drowned on the west side of Fraser.

Sold it 4 years later with no rust in the body but every bit of cad plating had gone. Just needed a new fuel tank, clutch and seats (the salt in the seat foam rusted out the seat frames about a year after the dunking) - everything else was OK after the dunking and then the extensive wash out with fresh water.
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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 23:19

Saturday, Jan 06, 2018 at 23:19
Tony, my golden rule when looking at 2nd hand 4wd's - don't touch anything that has fishing pole holders on it....

Silly I know, but.....
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Reply By: 9900Eagle - Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 04:56

Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 04:56
This has been a very informative thread for me as I have learnt.

Never by a secondhand 4wd that has been registered in Qld. I guess 1. people from other states don't come to Qld and drive through salt water and 2. They don't drive through salt water in their own states.

Avoid buying of people with tats as they definitely will have driven the vehicle through salt water.

I have to add, never buy a 4wd off someone wearing thongs or with bare feet as the vehicle will have been driven in salt water.

Now I have learnt how simple life is and please correct any spelling or punctuation errors
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Follow Up By: CSeaJay - Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 17:27

Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 17:27
You forgot to mention not to buy from owners with tatts, otherwise spot on with the rest
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 20:08

Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 20:08
I didn't dare mention tatts as I have a couple, this would put me in the reckless class regarding saltwater. One son is covered in them and drives a 19 year old car that I hope isn't rusting away, he also has an IQ of 142 and earns some really big dollars.

Same as the old man, he walks around in bare feet.

I just love people that generalise and chose to place others that are different into a box. Snobs and those who believe they are superior are alive and thriving it seems.

Have 4 close neighbours in Qld with 4wds and they use them for that purpose, 2 have tatts and they also walk around in bare feet. Non of them go near saltwater and heaven forbid they all drink alcohol.



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Reply By: AlanTH - Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 10:06

Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 10:06
Some or rather a lot of ex mines vehicles will be as bad as anything driven through the salty sand or water crossings. Much of the water they use on roads is very saline but it helps keep the dust down.
Heavy machinery won't be badly hurt by it as they get plenty of washing down but light vehicles will quickly rust out.
I broke two single cab utes right behind the cab on one mine site and they had started rusting badly along the chassis because of this.
"Oh what a feeling".
Didn't matter to the company as they only gave me their crap vehicles as I was a contractor but heaven help any private buyer who bought them at an auction after they'd been "refurbished" for sale.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 10:45

Sunday, Jan 07, 2018 at 10:45
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Hi Alan,

You used a phrase that is usually ignored...... "salty SAND or water".....

There are frequent expressions, including in this Thread, about the perils of driving through salty water on beaches, but the issue of salty sand is not considered.
The whole beach is twice-daily washed with salt water and the sand thus coated with salt. This sand is thrown up onto the body & chassis and lodges in crevices, generously coating the steel with salt. You don't need to drive into water to collect salt.

I have no way of evaluating the relative corrosive effects of salty water and salty sand but would think that they are about equally harmful to the vehicle. So any vehicle driven on a beach has received a dosage of rust-causing salt. Of course thorough washing is helpful but I doubt that it would totally remove all salt from either water immersion or salt-coated sand.
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